tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1769245871994114351.post4711341391377046181..comments2024-03-21T17:56:28.718-05:00Comments on Artists on the Lam: Discussion: Should I shell out a hundred grand in cash to watch a museum guard slowly strip naked?Jenny Lamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14520404556708441381noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1769245871994114351.post-87454825332623494582011-12-22T14:06:48.162-06:002011-12-22T14:06:48.162-06:00Wonderful, that means people like your writing, th...Wonderful, that means people like your writing, thanks a lot for the blog it had teach me a lot, thanks4rxhttp://www.4rxdeals.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1769245871994114351.post-20936406963947217862011-07-25T01:42:08.394-05:002011-07-25T01:42:08.394-05:00Art that meet all those criteria are definitely fe...Art that meet all those criteria are definitely few and far between, Jan. Which makes the intellectually challenging, aesthetically appealing, and entertaining pieces all the more exciting to see.Jenny Lamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14520404556708441381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1769245871994114351.post-28734922678500066512011-07-20T16:15:40.305-05:002011-07-20T16:15:40.305-05:00The top notch among art for me must provide some i...The top notch among art for me must provide some intellectual challenge to the viewer, it MUST be attractive (do not confuse with decorative!) and make me laugh or at least entertain. <br /><br />We all know how hard it is to have all the above conditions met. That's the only art I would be interested in buying because everything else has little or no value to me at all...Jan Krasnanhttp://www.krasnan.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1769245871994114351.post-8957463586303769422011-07-14T05:20:07.602-05:002011-07-14T05:20:07.602-05:00I agree with Jenny. You can't summarize Sehgal...I agree with Jenny. You can't summarize Sehgals work under the term relational aesthetics. It quiet different from Bourriauds theory. He produces intersubjective encounter between "actor" and "visitor". This Progress is kind of adaptable...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1769245871994114351.post-37280973619707219352011-07-10T22:58:09.333-05:002011-07-10T22:58:09.333-05:00You don't consider Sehgal a conceptual artist,...You don't consider Sehgal a conceptual artist, Harlan? I wouldn't really call his work relational, as it doesn't involve some sort of shared activity in which the audience collectively participates, e.g. Rirkrit Tiravanija's shared meals.Jenny Lamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14520404556708441381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1769245871994114351.post-350483714963944372011-07-10T17:16:44.865-05:002011-07-10T17:16:44.865-05:00RePost from LinkedIn:
Conceptual Art is a con! Sor...RePost from LinkedIn:<br />Conceptual Art is a con! Sorry but this is the same thing people whined about the impressionists when they first came around. Just like anything else there is good and Conceptual Art. But Conceptualism is not new nor should it be shocking that collectors will acquire these works. <br /><br />In your blog post you reference the artist Tino Sehgal. His work is Relational Art and needs to be experienced to really judge it. Just curious has anyone seen / experienced any of his works? <br /><br />I had the fortune to see his Guggenheim show in New York. It was one of the more poetic art experiences I have had. If I had the money I would love to collect his work.harlan erskinehttp://www.harlanerskine.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1769245871994114351.post-77621526163570810122011-07-09T16:37:47.713-05:002011-07-09T16:37:47.713-05:00Ha, thanks for the article suggestion, Tommi. I...Ha, thanks for the article suggestion, Tommi. I'll keep it in mind!Jenny Lamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14520404556708441381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1769245871994114351.post-2680455676921840222011-07-09T00:35:25.471-05:002011-07-09T00:35:25.471-05:00Now, I'm not in a position to shell out the am...Now, I'm not in a position to shell out the amounts of money you have mentioned, but I would shell out a couple of hundred euros for a piece of art that is purely conceptual and has no material representation.<br /><br />Which, in a way, is not possible, because the artist or gallery would have to write me an invoice for accounting purposes (tax evasion and such things). It might be digital, but there is always some form of documentation.<br /><br />As for the sharing aspect: There already are works in that direction, like some of Paolo Cirio's work, some of David Horvitz' work ... and I'm sure there is even more ... might be worth an article on it's own, actually. May I encourage you to write it? ;)<br /><br />Sorry, slightly OT:<br />@andrew werby: Was it "Spook Country" in which William Gibson talks about this artist who recreates assasinations in 3D, which can only be viewed if your computer is in the vicinity of the actual location and are then shown on top of what you see in reality? I thought that this linking data to location is a brilliant concept for digital art that comes in form of files.Tommi Bremhttp://www.tommibrem.denoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1769245871994114351.post-32184658191008337812011-07-08T14:33:51.455-05:002011-07-08T14:33:51.455-05:00A good comparison, especially when music's con...A good comparison, especially when music's consumption is considered; we purchase (or illegally download) and share music in the form of CDs, records, tapes, mp3s, and whatnot, all manners in which this ephemeral art form is "preserved," in a way. Continuing the likening of music to conceptual art, the latter, then, can also be preserved, shared, and consumed.Jenny Lamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14520404556708441381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1769245871994114351.post-52530386715404326382011-07-08T04:08:49.629-05:002011-07-08T04:08:49.629-05:00I suggest to compare the conceptual art with a cla...I suggest to compare the conceptual art with a classical music, the most <br />abstract of all art forms.<br />Most of the categories, discussed above, such as the definition of "art-not art", ownership, presentation, pricing, acquisition etc, will appear much clearer when one bears in mind the analogy with music. <br />Also, it becomes inevitably obvious that there's no apparent need to bring the conceptual stuff into the museums, - it can be revealed and perceived elsewhere, just like the music (in churches, public parks, on-line, and so on)Valery Koroshilovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14975550353456749437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1769245871994114351.post-26359385278359992552011-07-07T23:42:55.838-05:002011-07-07T23:42:55.838-05:00I agree, Adriane; I think performance is an import...I agree, Adriane; I think performance is an important art form--and one that seems to generate much debate--and I try to include it in every show I curate. (However, at my shows, the performance artists have typically marked their pieces as "not for sale." To the performance / conceptual artists who are reading this, I would encourage you to explore the ways in which you can perpetuate and/or replicate your work.)<br /><br />And thank you so much!Jenny Lamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14520404556708441381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1769245871994114351.post-61869531319029762112011-07-07T23:10:59.628-05:002011-07-07T23:10:59.628-05:00Some of the most beautiful and hauntingly memorabl...Some of the most beautiful and hauntingly memorable shows I have seen recently have been ephemeral drawings. Temporary by nature but lasting indefinitely in memory.I think there is a need for these artists and their work to be supported, shown, and collected. Although they're not buyable as such, there is usually some form of documentation that helps support the artists and the making of work. Performance art is another example.<br /><br />In answer to the question, yes, if I had the money I would buy Weiner's balls, but I would probably go for a Richard Long first.<br /><br />Congratulations and best wishes on the blog!Adriane Strampphttp://www.adrianestrampp.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1769245871994114351.post-42182938961222397082011-07-07T22:59:59.529-05:002011-07-07T22:59:59.529-05:00A very interesting connection to your digital scul...A very interesting connection to your digital sculptures, Andrew. There's always, it seems, an interplay between process and product.<br /><br />And those are great questions to further the discussion.<br /><br />PS: Thank you very much! Glad altering the formatting worked.Jenny Lamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14520404556708441381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1769245871994114351.post-56533888730800231482011-07-07T13:38:54.991-05:002011-07-07T13:38:54.991-05:00This seems like the logical consequence of Reducti...This seems like the logical consequence of Reductivism, which has been a consistent thread in the practice of art for nearly a hundred years. Strip away the illusionism, the craftsmanship, and all the other "retinal" qualities of art, and pretty soon there's nothing left to chip away at but the materiality of it. Soon you're left with just the raw Intellectural Property, which is what one of the collectors profiled in this article (significantly, a lawyer by profession) has purchased. He now has the right to produce the sculpture described, should he wish to do so, and sell it as a work of the artist. <br /><br />I'm running into some of the same issues with my digital sculptures, although I've arrived at them through a Maximalist more than a Minimalist work-process. If I sell someone a file with all the data required to produce one of these pieces, I'm selling a similarly immaterial object. But if the customer uses that data-set to construct the sculpture, using a 3D printer, then we've more or less gone back to a conventional transaction, much like purchasing any material work of art. Is this commodification, or de-commodification of art? Is the art piece the data itself, or the thing made from the data? If they never build the piece, but just hold onto the data-set, can't owning it fulfill the function of posessing an art piece for them - stretching the definition of art, stimulating thought, or whatever?<br /><br />Andrew Werby<br />Juxtamorph.com<br /><br />PS: Congratulations on the first month of your blog, Jenny. It was certainly much easier posting a comment this time than the first time I tried.Andrew Werbyhttp://www.computersculpture.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1769245871994114351.post-23197613904344296272011-07-07T05:29:26.176-05:002011-07-07T05:29:26.176-05:00hmmmm...
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